again back to the debate. foreign policy was much more sort of mood music, who do you trust. and the first debate, the reason i think that might have been so damaging to the president is that it was about largely, about the economy, and he didn't seem to be fighting enough and, you know, he says to mitt romney, the math doesn't add up, romney says that's not true, my math adds up, and he was fighting and i think that makes a big difference to people. gwen: briefly, i just want to end up by talking about this issue because it seems to have boiled down this week to status quo versus change. four years ago broke -- barack obama was the change guy. how does that boil down in the next two weeks? molly? >> they just keep having the argument. gwen: really? oh, good. oh, joy. >> anything new at this stage?